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24 March 2018

Buying a Silencer or Suppressor - Silencer Shop's Kiosk and Services

DISCLAIMER - Guns are loud, wear appropriate ear and eye protection.

Other DISCLAIMER - I'm not being paid or receiving any kick backs etc from Silencer Shop or anyone at all for this article.

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Recently, I decided to buy a silencer. This is the process I took to buy one plus some other cool background stuff.

Background


Silencers for firearms have been around for quiet a while. Hiram Maxim's son filed a patent in 1909 for the first known design calling it a "silencer." In 1934, Congress enacted the Nation Firearms Act, or as I will refer from henceforth NFA or NFA 1934, which created two groups of firearms and firearm devices; Title 1 and Title 2. Title 1 firearms were the guns the writers of the law thought people used for normal activities like hunting and personal defense and the Title 2 group is for firearms and devices they considered exceptionally dangerous or didn't have sporting purposes such as machine guns, short barrel firearms, silencers, poaching, etc. At the time, instead of out right prohibiting firearms (rumor has it they didn't believe they had the power to do so), Congress used the powers of Taxation and power of Commerce granted to them by the Constitution to place an excise tax on Title 2 firearms to regulate said devices. This was the IRS's new firearm division that later became the BATFE. A $200 tax (or $5 tax for specific firearms), registration of the Title 2 device, fingerprints, extensive background checks and storage requirements in exchange for a tax stamp are all part of the NFA world.

Silencers, or suppressors and 'cans' as they are more commonly referred to in the firearms world, work by encapsulating and regulating the expanding gasses of the rapidly burning gun powder. This reduces the auditory signature created by a gun shot but not eliminating it, hence why many refer to silencers as suppressors in the firearm community. Depending on numerous factors such as bullet velocity, barrel length, amount of gun powder, etc, this regulation can reduce the intensity of the sound of a gun shot by a fairly significant amount; around 30 dB. A firearm such as a bolt action rifle chambered in a full power, rifle caliber such as 30-06 with a decent length barrel can produce a decibel level in excess of 160 dB. For perspective, typical conversation is around 60-70 dB according to a quick Google search. A jet engine at take off can be around 130 to 150 dB. Your garbage disposal can be around 80 dB. OSHA says sustained 90 dB (specifically dBA) is acceptable. Basically, a gun shot is one of the loudest things you can come in contact with on a regular basis. Due to the levels involved, it's not unusual for a person to "double up" on ear protection by using ear plus and ear muffs. I've personally shot a 45 ACP 1911 with a 5 inch barrel without ear pro outside with out significant damage but I only did it once and isn't something I'm willing to do regularly. The 1911 in 45 is listed around 159 dB on the Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation's website. They do list the AR-15 in .223 Remington but they don't mention barrel length.

Basically, guns are loud. Even a lowly 22 rimfire rifle can be pretty loud at 143 dB. That said, I really like shooting my Henry lever action rifle with those .22 CB Short rounds when I'm at the farm. Very quiet by comparison to a normal .22 LR. At least quiet enough that I'm willing to shoot without ear pro fairly regularly.

Since the introduction of NFA 1934, silencers have been devices that the general public typically only see in movies and other media. People for the most part have no exposure to them. This lack of exposure does little to dispel myths and can help propagate misunderstandings surrounding the devices in both their operation/function and the laws regulating them.

Thanks to video games and certain spy movies, I remember thinking silencers made a whisper quiet, high pitched, pew sound that you may not even hear in a quiet library. Recently, that stereotype has been corrected.

Although this was some time ago, when I found out I could own one I decided that a suppressor was right for me. I did research on how to go abouts doing so and learned a lot. The paperwork surrounding silencers seemed daunting and, frankly, a little scary. I figured someday I would get around to it but just not now. Enter Silencer Shop.

The Process I Took


Some time ago, the ATF changed a few requirements with what has become known as 41P. This removed a few requirements and added others. You are welcome and encouraged to read up on the changes. With 41P, the process becomes significantly more streamlined and reduces the chances for errors on the forms or at least so I'm told.

Along with selling silencers and the corresponding accessories, Silencer Shop has since introduced a few services such as their Tax Stamp service, Trust service and Form 1 service.

To aide in the purchase process, they created a kiosk that has the ability to scan your fingerprints (needed for the ATF forms) and the passport style photo you need to send with the appropriate form; Form 4 in my case.

After the multi-year deliberation, I finally decided to take the plunge into the NFA world and buy a suppressor suitable for 9mm pistols. This needed to be able to work with my ProjectPDW build and other 9mm pistols. It would also give me the option to shoot .300 AAC Blackout if I wanted to. I found a suitable suppressor, or can, that would work for me. More on the device later.

I op-ed to pursue the trust method since this gives me the ability to add heirs should I have children that, once of age, would be able receive my property, in the event of a situation such as death or incapacitation. It also allows me to add persons that I would like to be able to have legal access to the devices, such as a spouse/significant other or parent, that way they can enjoy them or access them, for legal reasons, without breaking any laws should I not be available at the moment to control access.

Setting up a trust through Silencer Shop turned out to be easy. They sent web based forms that I filled out of who I wanted the settlor, the trustees and beneficiaries to be. Give it a name and that's pretty much it. They create the paperwork for you then you sign and have it notarized. Other companies also have NFA trust services but I have no experience with them though people that I trust have recommended others.

If you wish to use Silencer Shop's Tax Stamp service, you create a profile on their website or at the kiosk, inputting all the pertinent information and filling out a questionnaire. You upload the trust information and paperwork to their website along with the passport style photo and fingerprints you put in at the kiosk. They check all the paperwork and fingerprints for compliance then e-file the Form 4 along with the $200 for you. I'm told that this takes about a week to complete. As an update to this article, April 3rd was when I received the Form 4 for signing via Docusign. Silencer Shop should be preparing to E-File it shortly.

Once the ATF has the paperwork, it will take several months (current projections are around 7 months for E-file Form 4, Trust) for them to complete the background check needed then mail out the tax stamp. The stamp will be mailed to the store I purchased the suppressor from who will call me once everything is ready to be picked up. Update: It appears that Silencer Shop will snail mail the Form 4 instead of E-File. That would explain why I couldn't find wait times for Form 4 Trust E-File. Bleh...

Waiting sucks but depending on the shop you buy from and when you buy it (tax return season is apparently the worst), they may allow you to shoot the device at their range while you wait. You are not allowed to take it home since that would be considered a transfer.

The can that I bought is modular enough that I can use it for both 9mm and supersonic .300 Blackout but it doesn't mention anything about 5.56. It's also segmented meaning that one part unscrews from the main body allowing for a shorter configuration. The can is fairly heavy so the shorter, or K configuration, is welcome even though the suppression is significantly reduced.  So far, I've only run the can in the full length configuration but on both my CZ P-09 and ProjectPDW. With subsonic 9mm, the full effect is spectacular. The noise levels are fantastic. ProjectPDW is an absolute pleasure to shoot. If there wasn't anyone else at the range, I wouldn't bother with any ear protection when shooting subsonic ammunition. The P09 is just as fun but there seems to be significant debris that ejects rearward so shooting glasses are a must. You should be wearing shooting glasses anyway.

I've come to really like my new purchase and it completes ProjectPDW in a massive way. I'm looking forward to buying more.


Update 12/07/2018 - I got the call. The dealer has my stamp and the device is ready for pickup!




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In the same way I posted the Maryland HQL, I will post my wait times.

Purchased Device - 03/22/2018
Silencer Shop Compliance (Docusign Form 4) - 04/03/2018
Form 4 Mailed - Unknown
Check Cashed - 04/22/2018
Stamp Received - 12/7/2018 (Officially received by Class 3 dealer)

Total Count - 260 Days

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*CAOHC's list PDF Here

10 January 2018

SIG P365 - Quaint.

On Monday, SIG announced their latest entry into the concealed carry market; the SIG P365. Immediately, while laying in bed, I figured they named it to reflect some sort of carry gun you'd carry 365 days a year. Quaint marketing, SIG. That said, it doesn't appear to be all gimmicks.

It's basically targeting the single stack 9 market like the Shield and G43 but with a double-stack magazine giving it 10 rounds over the other two's single digit capacities.

This should turn out to be an interesting addition and I look forward to taking a look at one.

I guess the only real question is, does it take Glock mags?

23 November 2017

CZ P10c - Damn it. I'm a gun hipster / CZ Fanboi...

Well, it finally happened. I found a CZ P10c at a local gun shop and for a good price. It is now mine. I look forward to shooting it this weekend but from what I can immediately tell you is that the trigger is fantastic. I already have ideas on what I want to do with this baby. I'm thinking a flat face trigger, new sights, RMR cuts, Cerakote and a stipple job plus an Inforce APL-C.

I'm pretty sure it's better than the Walther PPQ but I do have one complaint. The mag release is stiff as hell.

Update: It's gonna go back CZ for repairs. After pulling the mag release apart then putting it back together, the release doesn't move at all now. CZ can sort it out after I take pictures with the APL-c on it.

Update 2: I had CZ send me a replacement spring which did not help. The mag drops straight out when the slide slams forward aka normal operation. I really want this thing to work so, it needs to go back to CZ this week. 

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07 August 2017

The Folding AR - Now Project PDW; Short Update

I had an opportunity today to take Project PDW over to 42 North to run some Tula steel case and Winchester Forge through it. I am very excited to report that she will eat just about everything; with a caveat. Apparently, neither the ETS or Magpul GL-9 polymer magazines were willing to feed the steel cased cartridges without trouble. Once the last few rounds above the follower get to the bottleneck the cases have too much friction and bind up the magazine. I will make sure to take some Glock-brand Glock mags out and try again. 



17 June 2017

CZ 75 P-01 - Cheaty McCheat-Face

I really like the CZ 75 P-01. It's probably one of my best guns. It's easy to carry and accurate. The trigger isn't too bad and is very smooth. It's possible to find holsters for it but it can be tricky. So what's the problem?

Well, the issue is me; basically my trigger control sucks. I'm having too much trouble mastering the double action trigger pull from a draw. I can be fast but my shots are poorly placed or I can go slow and be accurate. That would be the problem though, the accuracy is coming at a speed far too slow than what I'm comfortable with. Maybe if I got some professional training to help master the DA/SA but I haven't but the desire to seek out that training just yet.

In the mean time, I've decided to be a Cheaty McCheat-Face. I'm switching back to striker-fired guns.

The M&P 9 Shield, M&P9c, SIG P320 SC, Glock 26 and Walther PPQ M1 are now back in my rotation. With that, I will be able to go back to appendix carry (Shield) giving me more options on method of carry as opposed to the OWB method for the P-01.

Over the last few months, I'd been tracking my times and shot placement with the P-01, which led my to wonder if I would be any faster/more accurate with the striker guns. As it turns out, I'm not any faster but I am significantly more accurate. This doesn't really surprise me since my initial training was done on a striker gun (XD-40 Service). That and I think the triggers on striker-fired guns are inherently easier to shoot well, hence the cheating part.

I really wanted to master the DA/SA trigger but I just don't have the money to throw at getting past shooting the DA quickly. I'm managing around 50 rounds every weekend right now but I don't feel like that's enough to get past my control issues. If I can motivate myself to locate a class or professional instruction on mastering the DA/SA then I will look into switching back. Until such time, I will have to stick with striker-fired guns.

19 May 2017

New Pistol Build - I'll finally build up a Glock in .357 SIG

I don't own many Glock handguns; they just don't really do it for me. That said, the aftermarket for Glock anything is insane. Therefore, I have decided to start, at some point, a Glock 35 build in .357 SIG.

It will be what I call a "cool guy" gun. It'll have a custom cut slide, an RMR, tritium iron sights, threaded barrel, stippling, a Cerakote finish, etc converted from .40 S&W to .357 SIG.

I haven't decided if I want to build it from a police trade in or start fresh. I'll probably pick up a LEO trade in to help keep costs down. It will be a while before I get started so I may wait till Q4 to start buying parts.

P.S. - The AR9 build is done from a functional position, though does need some tuning and final cosmetic details. It is, however, experiencing light primer strikes. I have extra hammer springs that I will try.