Showing posts with label silencer. Show all posts
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13 June 2023

Silencers - Four Years of Ownership

Since March of 2018, I have learned much about silencers. What I thought I wanted back then has definitely changed. Thankfully, my choices turned out to have been pretty good ones. I pray my more recent choices turn out the same. 


Many of the things I've learned are as follows. Having a silencer for my more common pistol calibers has been good and I've enjoyed shooting pistols suppressed but I've gotten to a point where my silencers are seeing FAR more use on my rifles than on my pistols. I've learned that a suppressed 22LR rifle or pistol is basically pure shooting bliss. I've learned and re-enforced a distain for the regulating legislation that is the National Firearms Act of 1934, that it's garbage and needs to die. I've learned that I have ZERO interest in rifles or pistols that I cannot immediately or make changes to, to use one of my silencers. An un-suppressible firearm has limited utility in my life and will most likely be ignored. 22LR tube-feed rifles and shotguns are the exception to this rule. And finally, having dedicated silencers for each weapon a smarter choice and that your choice in silencer should be specific to the build that you're working on. Having a heavy multi-roll silencer is great but when your can is 21 ounces on the end of a 24 inch barrel, you start to notice the weight. By choosing a more focused silencer, you are able to build a better packaged product. A Gemtech Tracker makes more sense on a dedicated, light-weight, mountain hunting rifle compared to having something like the Dead Air Primal, Hybrid 46 or Bushwhacker 46 as all of these suppressors get pretty heavy where the Tracker is 11 oz. However, the Tracker isn't multi-roll. In the end, while it's more expensive to buy one silencer be gun, the effect is that you can tailor the full package without dealing with bulky universal mounts and extra weight or multi-roll cans. My Wolfman as setup currently as it's used on my AR-15s is 13 oz and can get pretty heavy after a while. The lighter, the better.

One of the biggest factors for me in purchasing my first silencer was that SilencerShop had been able to make the process easier and the changes to the application were more streamlined. Sadly, the Form 4 Trust wait times were massive and just plain awful. Recently, the ATF e-File system changed, allowing persons with Trusts and Form 4s to submit via the ATF portal instead of mailing in the forms. The rumor is that the new process has massively reduced the bureaucratically induced wait times down to somewhere around 90 days. My first suppressor took 260 days from start to end. With this new change and the fact that I have committed to buying a new silencer, I'll update this post on the changes. 

That said, as of March 2022, I have taken the plunge to buy the last silencer I will buy for a long while (unless things change). Dead Air released their Primal back in 2021. This is a welded body, tubeless silencer design that is VERY similar to the Wolfman but has many differences. The major differences are that the Primal is a 45 caliber bore instead of 36 caliber, that the Primal handles most every rifle cartridge out there compared to the Wolfman's small rifle and pistol caliber ratings and finally, the Primal is NOT segmented meaning you can't reduce the long-boy length by removing a part of the stack. I like the K-config version of my Wolfman. It's a heavy beast at 16 oz with no mount. While not as svelte as something like the 9.8 oz Nomad Ti, the Primal is full-auto rated and makes more sense in the DMR and hunting rifles roll which is where it will serve most of it's life. The Tracker would have made more sense for the hunting rifles in general but my 357 magnum lever action will do better with the Primal and my 308 Winchester DMR project will need something that can handle the abuse the Tracker can't.

Interestingly, Dead Air setup the Primal in such as way as to offer accessories that you can use most of, if not all of, the Wolfman, Wolf-9SD and Ghost-M accessories like the boosters but also use the stuff from the Sandman and Nomad lines. This means you can build out the Primal to meet whatever configuration you need as long as that isn't a short configuration. The ONLY exception is that Dead Air has not yet released a Primal specific e-Brake . The Sandman E-Brake is too narrow diameter to match the 1.6 inch body of the Wolfman and Primal but the Nomad E-Brake is too large. They need that Goldilocks zone E-Brake. From what I have seen, both of those E-Brake actually would mount up but they would look funny. 

I'm looking forward to trying the Primal out on my current inventory but I'll also see about rectifying the oversight of I've never shot a suppressed 45 ACP pistol!

If you're on the fence about getting a silencer for your guns, just jump right on in. There are plenty of services offered by companies such as SilencerShop and SilencerCentral that make it easier for people like me who are intimated by government paperwork. I work with several people and about three of them so far have come to the quiet side. You'll never go back.

Update: The Primal is currently on backorder and pending Dead Air to deliver to Silencer Shop.

Update 2: Silencer Shop now has the can and the forms have been signed to be filed with the ATF.

Update 3: I am waiting on the LGS to setup a time we can certify the application. It looks like the timer will start when that actually is completed. So far we're about 55 days since the backorder was filed. 

Update 4: I FINALLY got to certify my Form 4 with the LGS. It took about 3 months before they could get to me. After talking with the person, they noted that in many cases, the certification process can take several hours due to issues with the ATF website. As it were, mine took about 15 minutes to complete. He was very surprised. Official submit time starts on 23 Sept. We'll see if these claims of 90 days approvals are true. That said, I did get to try the can on a M&P45 with a threaded barrel and it was fun to shoot. I also found the Wolfman and Primal are VERY similar in appearance but that's about it. I'm looking forward to having this process finished. 

Dead Air Primal Form 4 Trust e-File Times:

Order Date: 04 MAR 2022 (Item on Backorder)

Backorder Fulfilled: 06 MAY, 2022 

Tax stamp Applied for: 06 MAY, 2022

eForm Certification: 23 SEPT, 2022 (Number of days since the backorder was fulfilled is 140)

Stamp received: After 263 days, the ATF notified me that my stamp was approved. So much for faster times. Oddly enough, that seems about normal for me. 

I looked back to see when my Q El Camino was approved and it took about 280 days back in 2019. The Wolfman was 260.

01 April 2021

Short Range Hunting Rifle - Same Job; New Tech or How an AR-15 is the Spiritual Successor to the Winchester 94

I starting hunting deer with a used, clapped out Winchester 94 built in the 1970's that I got running again and this year I replaced it with a brand new, high tech, custom built AR-15. 

Why do you need an AR-15? Because it does all the jobs a long gun really needs to do; put food on the table, defend the home and defend the Heartland from all threats foreign and domestic and do it in a way that is cost effective. 


BUT YOU CAN"T HUNT WITH AN AR-15!1!!! Blah blah blah.


Yes you can but just because you don't understand what's going on, doesn't mean you can't hunt with an AR-15. Firstly, bullet selection is the most important part of this discussion. While you can go hunting with full metal jacket bullets, you really shouldn't. In Georgia, you legally can't, therefore necessitating that we choose a cartridge that has suitable bullet designs. Thankfully, that's pretty much most commercially available cartridges, including .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO, on the market which has a loading using either a hollow point or soft point bullet. 

Next, we need to identify what we are doing with the gun. In this case, we want to hunt deer and since most of my shots are under 120 yards, I have no need for a rifle that shoots further. That statement right there is what makes the Winchester 94 in 30-30 an American mainstay for hunting. The Model 94 has been around since 1894 and there are several companies making surrogates such as Marlin, Mossberg and Henry. Why does Winchester and friends continue to sell lever action rifles in 30-30? Because 30-30 works great for deer in short ranges and people LOVE level action rifles. ROMANCE!

Since those parameters of sub-150 yard range and 30-30 level performance is achievable we just need to find something that isn't 30-30 that is close. In 2018, Olin released a new cartridge called 350 Legend. Both cartridges operate around the 2200 FPS range with bullet weights around the 150 to 170 grain range. This should put us in the 1600 to 1800 ft-lbs of energy range. 


 

350 Legend on the left with 30-30 on the right.


Ultimately, the 350 Legend has a very similar ballistic performance envelope compared with 30-30. The differences are that the 350 Legend is a .35 caliber or 9mm bullet to 30-30's .308 caliber bullet and that 30-30 has a much larger case but the pressure rating is much lower than 350 Legend at 42,000 PSI vs 55,000 PSI chamber pressure. This means that the 350 Legend can have a shorter, smaller case for the same performance of the 30-30. Thankfully, Olin (who owns Winchester) was able to package the 350 Legend into an over all length that makes it work in the AR-15's magazine and action. This is how we are able to use the AR-15 platform for taking deer as a dead replacement for the Model 94. There are other cartridges such as 300 HAM'R but since 300 HAM'R isn't as widely offered, 350 Legend seems to make more sense. 






I added a few extra requirements that my replacement build needed to achieve. It needed to be lighter than or equal to the Winchester in it's in-field weight which is 8.5 lbs, It needed to be able to host my silencer and be able to use modern scopes such as the low power, variable optic type scope. It needed to be more ergonomic and finally, not too expensive. 

The AR-15 easily can be built with all of those accessories to reach well into the 9 lbs range so I started looking for lightweight parts to reduce the build weight. When I built out the upper receiver and added the scope, the weight was right at 5 lbs. When I added the original A2 style stock I have for another build, I ended up right at 8.5 lbs. Changing over to lower with a CAR stock brings the weight down a little but we can do better. Thankfully, Lancer has options for carbon fiber handguards and the awesome dudes at InRange TV worked with KE Arms to put together a lower receiver and stock combo that weighs under 2 lbs.  With the WWSD (What Would Stoner Do) KP-15 lower and stock we reduced weight even more. Sadly, no one is making a 350 Legend barrel in a sporter profile so I had to use a standard profile barrel. 

I was able to build this rifle to just at 7.6 lbs with scope but without the Dead Air Wolfman silencer and 8 lbs with the silencer using a fixed mount. I'd say I nailed the weight part. 




In the end, I was successful in assembling a replacement for my Winchester 94 with an AR-15 for hunting deer. I haven't been able to tune AR or do any real testing or corrective action as ammo is so incredibly expensive right now. The best I could do was zero the current Primary Arms LPVO it has on top. It is an absolute struggle to find any usable ammo let alone any ammo loaded for hunting. I'm still waiting for the Federal Fusion 160 grains to become available but when they do, I'll be stocking up for testing.

20 August 2019

Dead Air Silencer's Wolf-9SD - My Wolf got Bit. It turned into a Wolfman.

For less than a year, I was in possession of my first and only suppressor, the Dead Air Wolf-9SD. It seemed like it was a really great can. I used it on all my 9mm and .22 LR guns with threaded barrels. The biggest selling point for me was that the silencer could handle 9mm and .300 Blackout with no barrel restrictions. My issue came when I tried to use the suppressor with a fixed mount on a 300 Blackout AR and found that there was an alignment issue. The first thought is that the barrel threads weren't properly cut but when I had the same issue on another barrel that tested fine with a different fixed mount suppressor, I called up Dead Air to have them check it out with the fixed 5/8x24 mount. I shipped it back for a visit.





Dead Air went over the can and did find an issue with the relationship of the alignment and mount. This prompted them to do something I hadn't expected.

Earlier in the year, DA announced that they were releasing an updated version of the Wolf called the Wolfman. The Wolfman is very similar to the Wolf but has differing construction methods, baffle configuration and different mounting interface while retailing the same mounts used in the Wolf. DA also changed from the grey Cerakote that I loved to a nice black Cerakote. The result of the update is that the Wolfman should be more sturdy and quieter in it's short configuration. The former allowed DA to rate the Wolfman for a variety of calibers from 9mm and 300 BLK to 5.56, 7.62x39, 9x39 and the new 350 Legend. Their website says these calibers require what they call KeyMicro which is a QD mount for the Wolfman that uses the KeyMount muzzle devices. I have been able to use the direct thread mount on my bolt action pistol in 300 BLK without issue but haven't tried 5.56 yet. All these cartridges I am extremely interested in so I was excited to hear about the Wolfman but buying a new can is not in the cards for me at this time. I'm also looking to the option of using it on a 30-30 level action. It may work with 30-30's peak chamber pressure at 42,000 PSI.




Turns out that DA had plans for my can. When I reached out during it's visit with DA for an update, they had completely replaced the baffle stack and converted my Wolf to the new configuration while retaining the original serialized part! Very impressive work! I still have a Wolf but the man made it better.






The new specification has left me both excited and a little sad. The improved strength is great since it gives us these different calibers to allow the Wolfman to have multiple rolls within the enthusiasts armory. You can build any number of AR's in different calibers to play around with and this suppressor will work for it. I'm very excited.

I'm sad because I miss the short configuration of the Wolf. I loved running the short config on my Shield and .22s for the reduced length and weight. While, the short config on the Wolfman still weighs less than the full length configuration, the Wolf's short config was very short while still being hearing safe. The upshot to the Wolfman's longer short config allows for a quieter package by comparison and still be fairly short.






The sad thing is that while my life is changing for the better, I will have to slow down on the R&D projects. I've been focusing on the things that are most important, like a working anything in.300 BLK and youth training rifle and less on the more interesting but obscure projects like a 9x39 AR. I've been working on getting a fun but good hunting weapon setup for the upcoming deer season! I have plans to use this suppressor for hunting deer on a firearm in form of .300 Blackout but if the project doesn't go the way I want then something in 350 Legend or .30-30 Winchester will be in my future.

I may work to pick up a Marlin or two such as the 1894 CST or the 336 Dark to fill my lust for a suppressed lever action rifle. I'd be more inclined to go for the 1894 CST.

So far, the re-weld has proven to be great. I need to get back to the range but I think some of the issues I had such as point of impact shift on pistols has been worked out.






 

I'm looking forward to spending more range time with my new buddy, the Wolfman.

Update!: I found out that Dead Air is willing to make limited runs of the Wolf config for folks like me who really like the shorter K config!

Update 2: I have been told that the KeyMicro system should be ready by end of the year. I'm now a huge fan of Dead Air. I'm thinking about migrating all my muzzle devices in .300 and 5.56 over to the KeyMount system to use their Nomad30 instead of Surefire's SOCOM series.

Update 3: I got to test very briefly during a range visit with a client where I was able to shoot the Wolfman on my P09 at distance and found that the massive point of impact shift is no longer a problem. The re-weld was fully successful and put it on target. I could not be happier with Dead Air's customer support.


24 March 2018

Buying a Silencer or Suppressor - Silencer Shop's Kiosk and Services

DISCLAIMER - Guns are loud, wear appropriate ear and eye protection.

Other DISCLAIMER - I'm not being paid or receiving any kick backs etc from Silencer Shop or anyone at all for this article.

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Recently, I decided to buy a silencer. This is the process I took to buy one plus some other cool background stuff.

Background


Silencers for firearms have been around for quiet a while. Hiram Maxim's son filed a patent in 1909 for the first known design calling it a "silencer." In 1934, Congress enacted the Nation Firearms Act, or as I will refer from henceforth NFA or NFA 1934, which created two groups of firearms and firearm devices; Title 1 and Title 2. Title 1 firearms were the guns the writers of the law thought people used for normal activities like hunting and personal defense and the Title 2 group is for firearms and devices they considered exceptionally dangerous or didn't have sporting purposes such as machine guns, short barrel firearms, silencers, poaching, etc. At the time, instead of out right prohibiting firearms (rumor has it they didn't believe they had the power to do so), Congress used the powers of Taxation and power of Commerce granted to them by the Constitution to place an excise tax on Title 2 firearms to regulate said devices. This was the IRS's new firearm division that later became the BATFE. A $200 tax (or $5 tax for specific firearms), registration of the Title 2 device, fingerprints, extensive background checks and storage requirements in exchange for a tax stamp are all part of the NFA world.

Silencers, or suppressors and 'cans' as they are more commonly referred to in the firearms world, work by encapsulating and regulating the expanding gasses of the rapidly burning gun powder. This reduces the auditory signature created by a gun shot but not eliminating it, hence why many refer to silencers as suppressors in the firearm community. Depending on numerous factors such as bullet velocity, barrel length, amount of gun powder, etc, this regulation can reduce the intensity of the sound of a gun shot by a fairly significant amount; around 30 dB. A firearm such as a bolt action rifle chambered in a full power, rifle caliber such as 30-06 with a decent length barrel can produce a decibel level in excess of 160 dB. For perspective, typical conversation is around 60-70 dB according to a quick Google search. A jet engine at take off can be around 130 to 150 dB. Your garbage disposal can be around 80 dB. OSHA says sustained 90 dB (specifically dBA) is acceptable. Basically, a gun shot is one of the loudest things you can come in contact with on a regular basis. Due to the levels involved, it's not unusual for a person to "double up" on ear protection by using ear plus and ear muffs. I've personally shot a 45 ACP 1911 with a 5 inch barrel without ear pro outside with out significant damage but I only did it once and isn't something I'm willing to do regularly. The 1911 in 45 is listed around 159 dB on the Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation's website. They do list the AR-15 in .223 Remington but they don't mention barrel length.

Basically, guns are loud. Even a lowly 22 rimfire rifle can be pretty loud at 143 dB. That said, I really like shooting my Henry lever action rifle with those .22 CB Short rounds when I'm at the farm. Very quiet by comparison to a normal .22 LR. At least quiet enough that I'm willing to shoot without ear pro fairly regularly.

Since the introduction of NFA 1934, silencers have been devices that the general public typically only see in movies and other media. People for the most part have no exposure to them. This lack of exposure does little to dispel myths and can help propagate misunderstandings surrounding the devices in both their operation/function and the laws regulating them.

Thanks to video games and certain spy movies, I remember thinking silencers made a whisper quiet, high pitched, pew sound that you may not even hear in a quiet library. Recently, that stereotype has been corrected.

Although this was some time ago, when I found out I could own one I decided that a suppressor was right for me. I did research on how to go abouts doing so and learned a lot. The paperwork surrounding silencers seemed daunting and, frankly, a little scary. I figured someday I would get around to it but just not now. Enter Silencer Shop.

The Process I Took


Some time ago, the ATF changed a few requirements with what has become known as 41P. This removed a few requirements and added others. You are welcome and encouraged to read up on the changes. With 41P, the process becomes significantly more streamlined and reduces the chances for errors on the forms or at least so I'm told.

Along with selling silencers and the corresponding accessories, Silencer Shop has since introduced a few services such as their Tax Stamp service, Trust service and Form 1 service.

To aide in the purchase process, they created a kiosk that has the ability to scan your fingerprints (needed for the ATF forms) and the passport style photo you need to send with the appropriate form; Form 4 in my case.

After the multi-year deliberation, I finally decided to take the plunge into the NFA world and buy a suppressor suitable for 9mm pistols. This needed to be able to work with my ProjectPDW build and other 9mm pistols. It would also give me the option to shoot .300 AAC Blackout if I wanted to. I found a suitable suppressor, or can, that would work for me. More on the device later.

I op-ed to pursue the trust method since this gives me the ability to add heirs should I have children that, once of age, would be able receive my property, in the event of a situation such as death or incapacitation. It also allows me to add persons that I would like to be able to have legal access to the devices, such as a spouse/significant other or parent, that way they can enjoy them or access them, for legal reasons, without breaking any laws should I not be available at the moment to control access.

Setting up a trust through Silencer Shop turned out to be easy. They sent web based forms that I filled out of who I wanted the settlor, the trustees and beneficiaries to be. Give it a name and that's pretty much it. They create the paperwork for you then you sign and have it notarized. Other companies also have NFA trust services but I have no experience with them though people that I trust have recommended others.

If you wish to use Silencer Shop's Tax Stamp service, you create a profile on their website or at the kiosk, inputting all the pertinent information and filling out a questionnaire. You upload the trust information and paperwork to their website along with the passport style photo and fingerprints you put in at the kiosk. They check all the paperwork and fingerprints for compliance then e-file the Form 4 along with the $200 for you. I'm told that this takes about a week to complete. As an update to this article, April 3rd was when I received the Form 4 for signing via Docusign. Silencer Shop should be preparing to E-File it shortly.

Once the ATF has the paperwork, it will take several months (current projections are around 7 months for E-file Form 4, Trust) for them to complete the background check needed then mail out the tax stamp. The stamp will be mailed to the store I purchased the suppressor from who will call me once everything is ready to be picked up. Update: It appears that Silencer Shop will snail mail the Form 4 instead of E-File. That would explain why I couldn't find wait times for Form 4 Trust E-File. Bleh...

Waiting sucks but depending on the shop you buy from and when you buy it (tax return season is apparently the worst), they may allow you to shoot the device at their range while you wait. You are not allowed to take it home since that would be considered a transfer.

The can that I bought is modular enough that I can use it for both 9mm and supersonic .300 Blackout but it doesn't mention anything about 5.56. It's also segmented meaning that one part unscrews from the main body allowing for a shorter configuration. The can is fairly heavy so the shorter, or K configuration, is welcome even though the suppression is significantly reduced.  So far, I've only run the can in the full length configuration but on both my CZ P-09 and ProjectPDW. With subsonic 9mm, the full effect is spectacular. The noise levels are fantastic. ProjectPDW is an absolute pleasure to shoot. If there wasn't anyone else at the range, I wouldn't bother with any ear protection when shooting subsonic ammunition. The P09 is just as fun but there seems to be significant debris that ejects rearward so shooting glasses are a must. You should be wearing shooting glasses anyway.

I've come to really like my new purchase and it completes ProjectPDW in a massive way. I'm looking forward to buying more.


Update 12/07/2018 - I got the call. The dealer has my stamp and the device is ready for pickup!




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In the same way I posted the Maryland HQL, I will post my wait times.

Purchased Device - 03/22/2018
Silencer Shop Compliance (Docusign Form 4) - 04/03/2018
Form 4 Mailed - Unknown
Check Cashed - 04/22/2018
Stamp Received - 12/7/2018 (Officially received by Class 3 dealer)

Total Count - 260 Days

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25 October 2015

The Hearing Protection Act - Finally Something Congress Can Get Right!

Recently, bill H.R. 3799 was introduced by Representative Matt Salmon of Arizona. The purpose is to change how firearm suppressors (or silencers in legal terminology) are treated. Instead of being treated like a Title 2 firearm (as they are now) they will be treated like a Title 1 firearm. This means that instead of paying a $200 dollar tax and filing paperwork that takes MONTHS (usually) for the ATF to finish, you complete the usual form firearm form 4473 just like you would for a rifle or shotgun.

I think the best reason for this is noise reduction, especially for those who live near a shooting range. I definitely want one for my home defense pistol. A single shot from a pistol fired in an outdoor, very open space is very loud and can ring your ears if you aren't wearing ear protection (I've done it - it hurt). Firing the same pistol in a confined space like a hallway can really mess you up.

I also want one because suppressors are cool. I've been thinking about buying one for a while now but it'll be a while before I get around to starting that process.

I FULLY support H.R. 3799.