Showing posts with label WWSD. Show all posts
Showing posts with label WWSD. Show all posts

31 July 2026

Deer Season 2026-2027: Rifle Considerations

With the successes and failures of the 2025-2026 deer season, I have much to think about. It's become blatantly obvious that my favorite hunting setup has some sort of issue and can't be relied upon for hunting applications for the time being. Until I can dedicate time to fixing it, I'll need something more reliable that I can press into the Marlin 1894 CST's roll. The .270 project will most likely be that rifle but will take some time before I have the money to fully sort out the build. It's very unlikely that I will have it field-ready by season opening. 

The two primary choices are the Remington 700 Pork Sword build or the What Would Stoner Do Hunter build. Both of these are in .300 Blackout and are short range builds.


Some time ago, I zeroed the 700 for a subsonic loading from Discrete Ballistics but the observed velocities where close to 1100 fps. I will want to re-check to make sure the loads are still subsonic in the cooler temps come October. My biggest concern is having a critter run off into the neighbor's field since I haven't proven these loads yet. The lady that owns it is a fan of the critters and I would prefer to be a good neighbor and not start something with her. While not guaranteed, anchoring the animal is preferred to prevent social issues so an experimental subsonic load probably isn't the best option. Something supersonic seems like a better option for the time being.


The WWSD Hunter with the Wolfman

Previously, the WWSD Hunter build got a change to a General Purpose optics setup with a red dot and a 3x magnifier. The magnifier later got stripped for another roll and not long after that, the red dot came off. The previous 3-9x scope went back on along with the Dead Air Primal with a 9mm end cap.

In both cases, I could just verify either or both rifles with their current ammo selection and just give either a go on day one but also, in both cases, a change in ammo to something with a better data package could be an easy change over. Just buy some boxes and re-zero. My gut-feeling says I needed more research but an ammo change looked to be in order.

I have several boxes of the SIG Elite 120 grain copper hollow points but I have very little data supporting the SIG loads are good for a deer hunting application. There is, however, available open source data for other loads in .300 Blackout.

I had settled on Barnes's 120 grain VOR-TX offering with the Federal's Fusion 150 grain in second as the two top contenders in my running based on some of the testing videos available. I had ordered some of the VOR-TX loads and just need to zero once I have the time.

I'm hoping to setup a new deer stand on the Little Farm this year which should keep shots under 50 yards with there I am thinking of setting up. The 3-9x is way too much for this location but for this year, it'll just stay dialed back to 3x.

Stay tuned to see if everything works well.

12 July 2024

101 Days to go for Deer Season 2024 - Gun Goals

October 21 is the opening day for the deer rifle season here in Georgia. I've been going over what build I want to try out this year. Last year was the Marlin 1894 CST in 357 Magnum which went great but I only got one doe with it. Part of the limiting factors for last year were surgery and other IVF related things. This year will be different. We will have a baby to take care of. I still have builds and ammunition choices I want to test out but I'm not sure if I will have time so I'm trying to sort out where to start.

Last year, I got three setups finished and zeroed in preparation of the baby girl getting here and not having the money to spend on the projects. First was the updated load selection for the Remington 700 .300 Blackout build. In 2022, I made a successful hunt using the Hornady 190 grain SUB-X loads. I changed to a custom ordered solid copper, hollow point subsonic load from Discreet Ballistics. I want to know if they will be effective on the whitetail here in GA. Sadly, they are running just a little too fast to be truly subsonic from my setup. I can still test the effectiveness of those wild, Machined Expander hollow points. I had actually made some changes to the stock by replacing it with an AR pistol buffer tube and adapter for my niece so she should go out with the rifle. She's a little small for the JMAC Customs stock but the buffer tube with a foam cheek rest let her get behind the scope with the rifle mounted in a tripod. She didn't get anything so I put the stock back on.

I like the idea of confirming if these bullets work well or not so that puts the Remington 700 in .300 BLK as our first option.



Next is the WWSD Hunter .300 Blackout build with the SIG 120 grain copper hollow points. The WWSD was originally chambered for .350 Legend but I ran into several issues at the same time and chose to rebarrel for .300 Blackout. The replacement SIG Romeo5 red dot and the Juliet 3X magnifier would more or less, make the WWSD AR-15 build a General Purpose rifle than a hunting rifle. However, given the lightweight construction and materials used in the WWSD concept, having a rifle this light can be very handy.

After finishing the build, I zeroed the rifle for 50 yards and confirmed velocities around 2400 fps. That should put the bullet around three inches down at 200 yards. That said, I don't know for sure what the minimum velocity is for those bullets to expand is and the lowest number I had been able to locate was around 2000 fps. The chart shows that I should expect around 150 yards to hit that 2000 fps mark. If all of that is accurate, the WWSD Hunter 300 Blackout should be a 150 yard hunting rifle. 

That said, should is a big word and the only way to know for sure is to get out there a bag deer. Seeing as I have already taken deer with the Remington 700, I'm inclined to take out the AR-15 this time to get in-field time with the rifle.



With the silencer attached, the WWSD AR-15 is under 9 lbs

Finally, the Taurus 66 with the Burris Fastfire 3 and the Hornady Custom XTP 158 grain loads. Last year, I was able to get the Fastfire to mount up with a cheap mount I found on the internet. I zeroed it for around 25 yards and should still be good for around 75 yards based on metrics gathered from various sources on the internet from gel testing. The game plan for the Model 66 is to carry it around with me during the deer season while I'm doing chores. If a deer shows up then I will take the opportunity to bag it.



The 66 is my first foray into the world of handgun hunting. It was originally meant for bear defense while hiking trails around Appalachia. I don't hike anymore being on the South side of Atlanta since there just aren't that many good trails. None of the trails are likely to have bear down this far. Getting North of Atlanta takes at least an hour on it's own to get around I-285 so it's just not worth the headache to drive the 2 hours to Dahlonega and further. I sure do miss the mountains. 

Anyway, with the Model 66 setup and zeroed. It's no extra effort to carry the revolver in place of my P365XL. Because of it being easy to carry, I guarantee it will be out with me on the farm from 21 OCT to 14 JAN 2025.

Originally, the 66 had an adjustable rear sight which should have been fine but I wanted to see if anyone made a red dot mount. Just for fun, I ordered one and it showed up. It took some doing but I was able to beat the mount and pins into submission and test fit the 8 MOA Burris FastFire 3 I had on my turkey Remington 870. Seeing as how I am rather familiar with red dots, I figured it would make getting into handgun hunting much easier. I have a very limited supply of .357 Magnum and practicing to make 75 yard shots with iron sights takes time and ammo. This helps mitigate training needs for now. I will likely switch the dot back to the 870 and put the irons back on. That 8 MOA dot is just huge for what I'm trying to do.



Ignore the butcher job I did on the holster to make the red dot fit. I'll clean it up some day.

Finally, I could continue on with the Marlin 1894 CST in .357 Magnum. I have come to enjoy that rifle and I like the idea behind continuing to prove that my setup and selection process do actually work. 



For the bonus option, if I feel like it, the Winchester 94 is back in action and ready for work. Mostly. I was able to get the rifle out to the range and zeroed with 170 grain JSPs. The open sights are good to go with the Turnbull Restoration red dot mount ready if I want to go that route. The only red dot I have available is on the Henry 22 for the moment but at 50 yards. The iron sights should be fine. That could be a fun option especially if I get to go out on an invited hunt with someone this year.



There you have it. The many options for hunting that I can choose. Depending on how aggressive I am this year and what opportunities present themselves, I can take all of these out over the season. 

18 February 2023

WWSD Hunter Mod 1 - From 350 Legend to 300 Blackout

 After finishing the project I called the WWSD Hunter 350 and got it running, I ran into some issues. As a results of thinking it over, I'm re-barreling the rifle from 350 Legend to 300 Blackout. What happened afterward has turned into a bit of a saga.

The What Would Stoner Do or WWSD concept was a joint venture by folks at Forgotten Weapons and InRange TV and others to produce a rifle they envisioned to be what Eugene Stoner, the inventor of the AR-15, would do today with our modern materials and machines. What they came up with was a rifle with a combination lower receiver and stock made of polymer and a upper receiver that uses a pencil profile barrel and carbon handguard to make the whole rifle very lightweight. Like 5 pounds light. The lower receiver is made by KE Arms as the KP-15. I used that lower along with a Lancer carbon fiber handguard but went with a round profile. I wish I had used their octagonal unit instead of the round but it's not an issue. I used an inexpensive AR Stoner barrel from MidwayUSA since I didn't want to put a ton of money into it and there aren't too many options for 350 Legend barrels. The goal was to replace my 1970's era Winchester 94 in 30-30 with a modern rifle platform while being ballistically similar. 

The first reason I'm changing is ammunition availability. Here in Georgia, 350 Legend is not a high priority cartridge. It's meant for people in straight-wall states like Ohio. The only ammunition I can regularly buy is the 180 grain Winchester Power Point or the 145 grain FMJ. The FMJ doesn't mean much to me but I found that it didn't run in my gun and would immediately experience a failure to feed. The 180 grain Winchester soft points ran fine enough but I really want the Federal Fusion load. Turns out, I can't find them locally or online. My concern here is, even if I could find the Federal Fusion load, will they even run? That's just potentially more money spent testing. Due diligence says I should test everything I can but I won't be doing that. The only other options are another Winchester load, the 150 grain XP round or Hornady's offerings. The SUB-X could be a cool load but I'm not sure that I'm looking for another subsonic hunting round. My Remington 700 in 300 Blackout is already setup for subsonic work specifically. It works very well by the way. I took a doe in November 2022 at about 40 yards with those SUB-X in 300 BLK. That said, there are more choices for 300 Blackout than for 350 Legend since 300 has been around a lot longer.

The second issue I ran into was with the build. I'm getting issues with zero. I had zeroed the gun then gone home. When I went back to the range to verify zero for the 2022 hunting season and that the gun was working correctly, the first round was way off. I adjusted then took a test shot finding I had to adjust back to where I was. I haven't always been able to replicate the issue but replication requires ammunition. Since the gun doesn't want to run the cheaper stuff, it becomes more expensive just to test with the 180 gr Winchester loads which is already hard to find. When I do find it on the shelf, it's usually one box.

The zeroing could be an issue with how I mounted the JMAC Customs muzzle device or maybe with the scope's mount or the scope itself. I did find that the Primary Arms 3-9x Classic is only intended for .223 Remington. 350 Legend does have a higher recoil impulse and the scope might not be able to handle that. At this point, I'm not sure as to what is causing the issue with the shifting zero and ammo is too expensive and hard to get for 350 Legend for me to properly test. As a result of all the issues with this build, I'm switching to something that I know works; 300 Blackout.

I have successfully taken deer with 300 Blackout even in it's subsonic form and I've really started to appreciate the little 30 caliber cartridge. When I was conceptualizing the gun, I had considered another cartridge called 6mm ARC. It's a pretty impressive cartridge on paper. To re-barrel for 6mm ARC would be replacement parts like the bolt, magazine and barrel. Then I would have to find ammo that's even harder to get than 350 Legend. That alone is enough to push 6mm ARC out of the running. Same goes for 6.5 Grendel, 7.62x39, 9x39, and 6.8 SPC. 5.56x45mm is an option since I have a spare barrel and ammo for it but I already have several guns in 5.56 including at 16 inch barrel gun. While my Remington 700 build is in 300 Blackout, that setup is geared toward subsonic ammunition specifically so a supersonic or multi-load capable build seems more prudent. 300 Blackout is bottlenecked and should automatically have a reduced chance of feeding issues compared to 350 Legend in this platform.  I already have a bunch of 300 Blackout ammo in my inventory so I can test more in depth. Basically, by switching to 300 Blackout, I cam minimize troubleshooting efforts and help with ammo standardization. 

A cool thing about the replacement barrel from Anderson is the profile. The barrel uses a pistol length gas system and from the gas block forward, the profile is the same. It's almost a heavy profile. Anderson claims it's a government profile but there's a lot missing from that. It's probably partly true as the space behind the block is narrow and contoured nicely but the gas system is so short making the layout goofy. The upshot on this profile means that I can have a gunsmith trim the barrel back to anything useable. Remember that 16 inches of rifle barrel is merely a tax issue. I had considered a 13.7 pin and weld job and I've tinkered with the idea of trimming down to match the barrel to the handguard. If the NFA 1934 dies, then I would just cut it down to 10 inches and replace the handguard with another Lancer unit. That would reduce the weight quite a bit. It would make the rifle massively more user friendly with a 10 inch barrel. If I settle on a length, I could also have a gunsmith flute or turn down the contour to reduce weight even more so. Sadly, though, it turns out that the 350 Legend barrel is actually lightly lighter by around 1.5 oz so I ended up making the gun slightly heavier. 

Even still, with the rifle around 7.8 lbs without the silencer, this rifle goes from being a hunting specific gun to a rifle that I would easily carry around the homestead without too much issue. Turns out, I'm building another farm gun but I really like that concept. During the 2022 hunting season, I took my Marlin 1894 CST, ArgentGranjero, around as I would do work in case a deer made itself available for my freezer. I also have carried around a Marlin 60 for squirrel hunting while I did a little trash pick up on the Western edge of the property. All in all, I found that I appreciate the lighter guns but I will say that I do wish the Marlin had provisions for a weapon mounted light. My primary AR-15, ProjectCarbine, with everything is pretty heavy and I've taken to leaving it at home. I prefer a semi-auto for defense and general use application so having a much lighter weight semi-auto rifle in a caliber similar in use to 5.56 will be great. That really puts the What Would Stoner Do Hunter Mod 1 into a good position as a Farm Gun. Maybe I should start calling it the WWSD Farmer.

After completing the re-barrel and re-assembling the gun, instead of mounting the PA 3-9x scope I had used originally, I opted to use a SIG Remeo5 red dot. Since I don't trust the mount the PA is using currently, this seemed like a good idea. When I got out to the farm, I successfully ran a few subsonic Federal American Eagle rounds. That indicated I wouldn't need to makes changes to the adjustable gas block. It ran without issue everything I fed the rifle that day. I pulled out my Caldwell chronograph and ran a string of SIG's 120 gr Elite all copper, hunting rounds. The average of the 5 shot velocity I got with the 16 inch barrel was 2441.8 fps. That's better than the 2250 fps on the box. I don't know what test barrel length they used to get that. I'm thinking around 10 or 12 inches. That will come up later because it's caused me to reconsider the project completely.



The rifle is loaded with a 20 round magazine full of 220 gr subs.

After I completed my other chores for the day, I setup my target stand and a IDPA with a white back to zero. I had planned on zeroing for 50 yards previously. After using a few cheaper Remington 120 gr as sighters, I walked in the rest of the zero with the SIG 120's very quickly. I couldn't believe how much easier it was with the 300's than the 350's. To confirm this wasn't a fluke, I took a quick test shot on a 6 inch steel gong I have at 50 yards. The bullet absolutely hammering that gong broke the thick gauge wire used to hang the target. 

For fun, I loaded a couple of subsonic 220 gr rounds and tested one on the paper target to check for bullet drop. I got about 1 inch or so down. I went back to the 50 yard line and sent a second test round to the 50 yard gong and connected successfully after adjusting for a slight drop. At this point, I'm excited.

This rifle is running nicely, it handles well and feels light enough for me to carry around the farm without issue. I've successfully zeroed the rifle and it shoots both supers and subs very well. I stopped for a minute to consider the changes and go over my accomplishments for the day. I pulled up an online ballistic calculator to run the numbers I got from the chronograph. The below chart is calculated using SIG's posted BC of .290 and the velocity numbers I got of 2441 fps. I assumed a 2.6 inch scope height and 50 yard zero.



Based on testing done by folks like the Chopping Block and Tools & Targets who's videos are on YouTube, the SIG rounds will still expand around 2060 fps.  In Tools & Target's video, the bullet expanded to around .40 caliber at an average velocity of 2059 fps. The Chopping Block's video had an average around 2100 fps with much better expansion. I don't know what the absolute minimum velocity is for these bullets but the ballistic chart says around 150 yards is pushing around 2020 fps. It's possible these bullets will still expand at the low 2000's range. Until someone can do further testing I'll say that around 150 yards is the absolute ragged edge this load can take a deer with the bullets still expanding. Pay further attention to the bullet drop. The 50 yard zero has a secondary zero right at 150 yards; -0.02 inches down. The bullet is up around 1 inch at 100 yards. Essentially, this rifle is now zeroed so I don't have to hold over. As long as the deer I'm trying to take is between 150 yards, I just need to hold right on the vitals. This flight path is far better than the 350 Legend had from this rifle. 

With the new dope chart and the gun zeroed with the red dot I'm not wanting to making changes to the sighting plane for a while. Plus ammo is expensive. For the foreseeable future, I will be running the WWSD Hunter Mod 1 with a red dot but I've been looking at adding a Primary Arms 3x micro magnifier or find a 5x micro like the SIG Juliet. They add extra weight but given that they can be setup with a quick detach mount, I might leave it in the truck during the off season and add it during the deer season. I would be inclined to just run the red dot but my astigmatism is so bad even with good glasses, I struggle to see some smaller details at distances like 50 yards. I can't guarantee I can make a clean shot on a deer's vitals past 75 yards. 

Testing day turned out to be pretty great. Having seen the rifle come together was really rewarding. I truly wished I had more ammo to burn because shooting the WWSD Hunter Mod 1 was such a pleasure. The Dead Air Wolfman in the short configuration keeps the subsonic rounds reasonably quiet. The supersonic loads didn't seem to ring my ears but they still have a loud report. I would like to test more subsonic loads like the Hornady SUB-X for the hold overs to see if I could just use this rifle to hunt with instead of the Remington 700 I built. I will continue to keep the WWSD Hunter with me as I go about projects and chores over the next year to see how it does.

Editor's Note: The original article was a mess and was missing a ton of data. Some of the data was just wrong. The image above was taken without removing the cartridges that are stored in the butt stock's compartment. There's around 6 rounds of 350 Legend stored there skewing the weights. The rifle is actually more like 7.8 lbs without the silencer and around 8.7 lbs with the Dead Air Wolfman. 

01 April 2021

Short Range Hunting Rifle - Same Job; New Tech or How an AR-15 is the Spiritual Successor to the Winchester 94

I starting hunting deer with a used, clapped out Winchester 94 built in the 1970's that I got running again and this year I replaced it with a brand new, high tech, custom built AR-15. 

Why do you need an AR-15? Because it does all the jobs a long gun really needs to do; put food on the table, defend the home and defend the Heartland from all threats foreign and domestic and do it in a way that is cost effective. 


BUT YOU CAN"T HUNT WITH AN AR-15!1!!! Blah blah blah.


Yes you can but just because you don't understand what's going on, doesn't mean you can't hunt with an AR-15. Firstly, bullet selection is the most important part of this discussion. While you can go hunting with full metal jacket bullets, you really shouldn't. In Georgia, you legally can't, therefore necessitating that we choose a cartridge that has suitable bullet designs. Thankfully, that's pretty much most commercially available cartridges, including .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO, on the market which has a loading using either a hollow point or soft point bullet. 

Next, we need to identify what we are doing with the gun. In this case, we want to hunt deer and since most of my shots are under 120 yards, I have no need for a rifle that shoots further. That statement right there is what makes the Winchester 94 in 30-30 an American mainstay for hunting. The Model 94 has been around since 1894 and there are several companies making surrogates such as Marlin, Mossberg and Henry. Why does Winchester and friends continue to sell lever action rifles in 30-30? Because 30-30 works great for deer in short ranges and people LOVE level action rifles. ROMANCE!

Since those parameters of sub-150 yard range and 30-30 level performance is achievable we just need to find something that isn't 30-30 that is close. In 2018, Olin released a new cartridge called 350 Legend. Both cartridges operate around the 2200 FPS range with bullet weights around the 150 to 170 grain range. This should put us in the 1600 to 1800 ft-lbs of energy range. 


 

350 Legend on the left with 30-30 on the right.


Ultimately, the 350 Legend has a very similar ballistic performance envelope compared with 30-30. The differences are that the 350 Legend is a .35 caliber or 9mm bullet to 30-30's .308 caliber bullet and that 30-30 has a much larger case but the pressure rating is much lower than 350 Legend at 42,000 PSI vs 55,000 PSI chamber pressure. This means that the 350 Legend can have a shorter, smaller case for the same performance of the 30-30. Thankfully, Olin (who owns Winchester) was able to package the 350 Legend into an over all length that makes it work in the AR-15's magazine and action. This is how we are able to use the AR-15 platform for taking deer as a dead replacement for the Model 94. There are other cartridges such as 300 HAM'R but since 300 HAM'R isn't as widely offered, 350 Legend seems to make more sense. 






I added a few extra requirements that my replacement build needed to achieve. It needed to be lighter than or equal to the Winchester in it's in-field weight which is 8.5 lbs, It needed to be able to host my silencer and be able to use modern scopes such as the low power, variable optic type scope. It needed to be more ergonomic and finally, not too expensive. 

The AR-15 easily can be built with all of those accessories to reach well into the 9 lbs range so I started looking for lightweight parts to reduce the build weight. When I built out the upper receiver and added the scope, the weight was right at 5 lbs. When I added the original A2 style stock I have for another build, I ended up right at 8.5 lbs. Changing over to lower with a CAR stock brings the weight down a little but we can do better. Thankfully, Lancer has options for carbon fiber handguards and the awesome dudes at InRange TV worked with KE Arms to put together a lower receiver and stock combo that weighs under 2 lbs.  With the WWSD (What Would Stoner Do) KP-15 lower and stock we reduced weight even more. Sadly, no one is making a 350 Legend barrel in a sporter profile so I had to use a standard profile barrel. 

I was able to build this rifle to just at 7.6 lbs with scope but without the Dead Air Wolfman silencer and 8 lbs with the silencer using a fixed mount. I'd say I nailed the weight part. 




In the end, I was successful in assembling a replacement for my Winchester 94 with an AR-15 for hunting deer. I haven't been able to tune AR or do any real testing or corrective action as ammo is so incredibly expensive right now. The best I could do was zero the current Primary Arms LPVO it has on top. It is an absolute struggle to find any usable ammo let alone any ammo loaded for hunting. I'm still waiting for the Federal Fusion 160 grains to become available but when they do, I'll be stocking up for testing.